For today's socratic circle, Hannah, Rosie, and Evan will be our "fishbowl" group members, leading a discussion about the final section of A Christmas Carol. Our second group will be our audience, observing how discussion is going and if they agree/disagree with the conversation taking place in the middle.
Instructions:
Audience members: in the comments section of this post, make thoughtful observations about the conversation taking place in the "fishbowl." Good observations will do the following:
- Identify when you agree/disagree with observations and specifically state why (ASR: Apt Specific Reference).
- Observe what specific group members did that helped to "propel" conversation forward, respond to their group members, and provide thoughtful observations.
Fishbowl members: in yesterday's class, you worked with your group members to pick what sections of Staves 1 and 2 you wanted to discuss and what roles you will play (i.e., discussion leader, "Sherlock Holmes," "Librarian," "Matchmaker," etc.). You also wrote your own Level 1, 2, and 3 questions about your passage(s). Students receiving a 3, "Meets," on Speaking and Listening 1, will do the following:
- Come to discussion prepared, having read and researched materials beforehand. SL1a
- Work with peers to promote a civil, democratic discussion, set clear goals, and establish individual roles. SL1b
- Propel conversations forward by posing and asking questions that probe reasoning and ask for evidence. SL1c
- Respond thoughtful to diverse perspectives, synthesize (combine) comments, claims, and evidence, resolve contradictions, and investigate meaning. SL1d
I somewhat agree with Evan. It's not really an exact future, it's a possible future.
ReplyDeleteI love the passage they choose! There are so many interpretations, questions, and discussion topics that could be talked about in this passage.
ReplyDeleteI like how the group would finish each other's thoughts/sentences if someone was getting stuck. It helped the conversation move forward instead of coming to a silence.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Rosie when she said Scrooge thought he had more friends than he did. I never really thought of that and I think it makes sense.
ReplyDeleteI find Hannah's comment interesting. I never really thought about how ashamed he felt when those men were mocking him, even in death.
ReplyDeleteGood point Evan with the ghost trying to "guilt trip" Scrooge.
ReplyDeleteI like the different passage about the Ghost of Christmas future showing Scrooge his "death." Hannah and Rosie, I like your mention of how Scrooge felt negative feelings because people of higher power were talking very little of Scrooge, almost not caring for his death.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Hannah when it seems like Scrooge feels like the ghosts are looking down on him, which is hard for Scrooge because he is used to being of a higher power. And Evan is also right when he says that the ghosts are obviously trying to guilt trip Scrooge.
ReplyDelete1. I agree with hannah statement saying that Scrooge felt very ashamed that he did not have any real friends besides Marley. seeing your own funeral and knowing that nobody cares that your gone is a very big reality check for Scrooge.
ReplyDeleteRosie did an awesome job referring to today and connecting the passage to the real world. Great use of level 3!
ReplyDeleteI like how Hannah related the passage to today. I think it helped make it easier to understand the passage.
ReplyDeleteI also felt like Hannah does a really good job with relating the passage, she seems calm and confident in what she says.
DeleteMe. too! It's a good use to level 3 thinking.
DeleteI like Evans question of how did the men feel about Scrooge, but he shouldn't have answered his own question, he should have let Rosie or Hannah answer it, then add onto their thoughts.
ReplyDeleteI agree with the group when they says that Scrooge feels guilty about how he has treated people and how they are making fun of his death. You can see this better when he goes and sees his own grave at the end of the stave.
ReplyDeleteI like how Rosie added that he was a rich person but people still didn't like him, because he was so mean and greedy.
ReplyDeleteI agree! I wrote a comment that was really similar to this statement as well. Money doesn't mean someone is a good person.
DeleteI loved what Roise said about how it doesn't matter how rich you are--it doesn't mean people will like you.
ReplyDeleteWhat did Scrooge ever do with his money? I can't imagine him leaving it to Fred or his nephew, and he wouldn't donate his charity
ReplyDeleteI agreed with Rosie and Evan's statement that it doesn't matter how rich someone is if they are not a nice person. I think this statement applies to Scrooge well.
ReplyDeleteI thought so too! It's kind of like the old saying money can't buy happiness.
DeleteEvan: nice for mentioning how Scrooge has no importance within the business community. Rosie, I like how you backed that up by saying even though you have a lot of money, it just depends what you do with it.
ReplyDeleteI think what Rosie and Evan were talking about is interesting, about how it doesn't matter how rich you are, it matters what you do with it. I agree. I don't think any of the other circles have brought up that idea but it makes sense.
ReplyDeleteI like Evans question on what Scrooge might do with his money, and the other group members reflected it to real life even with it being a level two questions, and they also were laughing and having fun with the discussion.
ReplyDeleteI like Evan's level three question about whether the last punishment was necessary, I believe it was and that it helped him in the long run.
ReplyDelete2. I liked Evans third question about if the punishment of scrooge was necessary. it poses an interesting thought about what is really necessary to achieve a goal.
ReplyDeleteI liked his level three question as well, it allows deep thought and kind of self-reflection as well.
DeleteI like how Evan mentioned events such has Scrooge being bullied, not letting any details pass by without thought.
ReplyDeleteRosie, nice job using the annotations in our edition to explain some of the historical context in your passage!
ReplyDeleteGood job Rosie for point out that thing about the funeral in the annotations. I never knew a funeral had to provide lunch.
ReplyDeleteHannah, you do an awesome job explaining how the annotations are meant to be read. Very thoughtful! You make your thinking visible!
ReplyDeleteI thought it was interesting when Evan said that "Old Scratch" was referring to the devil directly. I thought that they were calling Scrooge the devil at first.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Rosie that it was necessary for the spirit to bring scrooge to this point in time to change him. It was apparent that scrooge was beginning to change in the two previous spirit visits, but this really spirit really pushes Scrooge to become a better version of himself.
ReplyDeleteI liked Hannah's interpretation on the old scratch and how it probably would mean something different back then compared to today.
ReplyDeleteRosie!! I love how you turned the topic around about Scrooge being taken by the Devil by mentioning that Scrooge is really not as bad as the Devil.
ReplyDeleteHannah did a good job referring to the annotations and the phrase "old scratch." I liked how she thought of the historical part of the phrase before judging what we today would think.
ReplyDeleteI agree, it is very interesting to think about old slang terms. its also odd to think about what slang words we use today will eventually no longer be used.
DeleteI definitely agree with Hannah, how it's very harsh to go to his funeral and talk bad about him.
ReplyDeleteIt's kind of like the saying "if you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all".... and since none of them have anything nice to say about him, they would rather just not attend the funeral.
DeleteI like when Hannah said you can't feel bad for his family, because they all have their own wives and kids anyway.
ReplyDelete2. Rosies question about modern day funerals is interesting, it makes you wonder what your own funeral will look like and what actions throughout your life will change how many people will miss you.
ReplyDeleteI love how Hannah pointed out how Scrooge doesn't really have a family. She said it's hard to feel for his family when he doesn't have one, but at the same time it's sad to think that Scrooge doesn't have anyone that would want to attend his funeral.
ReplyDeleteI agree! I can't imagine how hard it would be to not have a family, or anyone for that matter, who is there for you. It actually makes me feel bad for Scrooge.
DeleteI feel like the only person who would attend his funeral would be his nephew. He seems to be the only family that scrooge has and even though he knows his uncle is not the nicest person, he realizes that his life has not been easy.
DeleteI loved how Rosie asked the question if they'd actually go to Scrooge's funeral. I think that kind of question really makes you think on a personal level.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Hannah when she said that she wouldn't go to his funeral if he wasn't important to her. It puts that part of the story into perspective.
ReplyDeleteI think most people would stay away from a funeral for a man like Scrooge. Who would really want to go to a funeral for a man who was uptight with his money and not pleasant.
ReplyDeleteI like how Hannah chose a new passage quickly to keep conversation going and took initiative.
ReplyDeleteHannah, nice job pointing out that even though Scrooge didn't have a family to mourn him, and he was a bitter person that it's hard to feel bad, but it is harsh for those people to talk badly about him at his own funeral. You're filling one of the discussion roles.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Hannah is saying that Scrooge wants someone to tell him that they don't like him, even if he already knows or sees it.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Hannah's comment. When someone's very stubborn, you have to be pretty straightforward and tell them exactly what is wrong, so I can see how she thinks Scrooge is looking for a straightforward answer.
ReplyDeleteI can relate to that comment^ Been there done that with my gramp.
DeleteHannah had a good point on how Scrooge knew what was going on and how people thought of him but he still wanted to hear it from someone else for confirmation.
ReplyDeleteHannah is right when he says Scrooge knows the answer, but wants to be told it anyways. I felt the same way when reading, in the scene when he sees the bed and asks the ghost who's under the sheet, Scrooge knows who lies there, yet needs to be told. I think this is why the third ghost doesn't talk, because by this point in the story, Scrooge should be putting the pieces together.
ReplyDeleteI like how the group goes back to "Old Scratch," they talked about understanding the term and reading the annotations for it, and now they talk about what it meant to the story.
ReplyDeleteHannah is doing a nice job propelling the discussion as soon as it stops, keeping the conversation going.
ReplyDeleteHannah and Rosie are doing very well at connecting the passage to level three thinking by interpreting his reactions to the conversation about his death by these businessmen at the funeral. I believe Scrooge he finally accepted the consequences to his cross behavior, and he just wants to have reassurance. He never really gets that from anybody anyway.
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