Wednesday, October 19, 2016

11/12 Writing Warmup: "Live Tweet" the Third Presidential Debate



Bell Ringer Activity:
For today, please "live tweet" the third and final presidential debate.  Pay close attention to ethos, logos, pathos, and any logical fallacies ("false logic") that appear in Donald Trump's and Hillary Clinton's rhetoric. Use the comments section below.

Lastly, who do you think won?

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    1. I agree! They did in the last debate, but for some reason they didn't in this one.

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  2. They didn't shake hands like they did in the last debate...

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    1. I think they only did in the first debate

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    2. I believe you're right Amber. At the second debate, I think they shook hands after the debate was over and when they were greeting the crowd. I'll need to check...anyone know for sure?

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    3. It is getting more intense now, maybe that's why

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  3. Has anyone noticed how much higher Trump's mic is for this debate?

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    1. Maybe people on social media noticed that, and they changed it. Or maybe he adjusted it so he looks bigger and more powerful.

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  4. Trump is feeling really confident that he is going to become president

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    1. Trump: "I truly believe [Clinton being elected] won't happen."

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  5. Does Trump seem more composed and calmer at the beginning of this debate?

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    1. Yes Trump seems calm for now, until he decides to start speaking over Hillary.

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    2. He does seem a little quieter

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    3. He's calm until he disagrees with Hillary

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  6. guns don't kill people, its the person handling the gun

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    1. Absolutely. How does this idea effect our second amendment?

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  7. you just said you support the 2nd amendment now your going against your own words

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    1. Andrew, can you put a quote here that shows Clinton's hypocrisy? Add quotes to your observations so that I can give you a high score on RL1, "I can use evidence to support my ideas."

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  8. The mic is a little to high this time.

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  9. Trump says people are upset with things Hillary says when really more people are upset with the things he saying.

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    1. Very interesting, Cheyenne. Can you put a quote with this observation? Or, add quotes to your observations on this thread? I'd like to give you a high score for RL1, "I can use evidence to support my ideas."

      Great point.

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    2. Trump says "People are upset with Hillary because of the whole email incident."

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  10. Did Trump's comments about the "states" making choices about Roe v. Wade make sense to you? Here is part of the transcript:

    Wallace: I'm asking you specifically would you-

    Trump: If they overturned it, it would go back to the states.

    Wallace: But what I'm asking you, do you want to see the court overturn it? You just said you want to see the court protect the second amendment, do you want to see the court overturn-

    Trump: If we put another two or perhaps three justices on, that is really what will happen. That will happen automatically in my opinion. Because I am putting pro-life justices on the court. I will say this. It will go back to the states and the states will then make a determination.


    Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/full-transcript-third-2016-presidential-debate-230063#ixzz4NdwcN3kX

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  11. Trump: "...rip the baby out of the womb of the mother." WHY does Trump use the word "rip" here? Is that a necessary word choice? Do you think Trump is using pathos of some kind?

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    1. He is trying to make it sound worse.

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    2. He uses the word rip because he doesn't know any better vocabulary to use.

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    3. Trump saying "rip" really makes his comment inappropriate and sound way worse then it should.
      Pathos: This makes people scared and worried about the thought of abortions, because he used horrid words to explain it.

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  12. What does Clinton mean when she says, "scare rhetoric" about Donald Trump's comments about "ripping babies" from women?

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    1. Trump is making obortions sounds so awful to try and scare people to support him they are not good but he blows it wayyyy out of proportion

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  13. Trump says, "I think its terrible if you go with what Hillary is saying." He didn't say how it is terrible, he only rambled on about abortion in a very gruesome way.

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  14. "If you go with what Hillary is saying, in the ninth month you can take baby and rip the baby out of the womb of the mother just prior to the birth of the baby."
    Pathos: this scares people into going with Trumps opinion.
    Ethos: This makes Trump credible because people might get the same opinion or feeling too.

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  15. Hillary: "Well, first of all, I support the Second Amendment." a couple seconds later...: "I think we need comprehensive background checks" Thats just saying you don't really support the second amendment.

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  16. Pathos, not having a strong border makes people feel scared/worried.

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  17. Trump uses pathos when he is talking about the families who have lost loved ones to illegal immigrants by connecting with them.

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  18. "Bad hombres?" Why does Trump use the term "hombres?"

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  19. Pathos: Trump talking about needing to have a border because "illegal" people have killed people. He tried to make people feel scared and worried.

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  20. Pathos: The fact that we don't have strong borders could be scary to some people.

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  21. "build the wall, stop the drugs" Trumps logic, (logos)

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  22. Trump thinks that by building a wall he will keep all the drugs and bad things out. (logos)

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  23. Pathos: Trump begins talking about how we need to have a stronger border, to keep the "bad bad guys" out. However, many would disagree especially if they have family members who are immigrants. This would make one feel angry or upset.

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    1. Yes, many people would get very upset if they had family members who are immigrants. But, others may follow his thoughts and his plan to create a stronger boarder. He also doesn't state how he plans to keep the "bad bad guys" out or even how he is going to successfully create this "boarder."

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  24. Logos: Trump believes that building a wall will keep everything bad out including drugs. "Build the wall, stop the drugs" He strongly thinks that this will work.

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  25. Logos: Trump believes that by building a wall this will keep all the drugs and "bad" people/things out. What if the "bad" things are already in the country and are here legally not immigrants? What could be done then? We have more to worry about than just what's behind this wall Trump talks of.

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  26. Trump is credible for saying "build a wall." (ethos)

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  27. When trump talks about all the people who are trying to get citizenship in america and are doing it the "right way" when others are just coming illegal he connects with the people doing it the "right way" Logos

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  28. Trump said, "you're the puppet" to Hillary just to get his point across.

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  29. Logos: Trump thinks that building a wall will keep out all illegal immigrants and that it will also make our country safe.

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  30. I honestly don't think either of them are credible, if anything Hilary would be considered credible. She's the only one who actually makes sense and answers the questions with complete sentences and correct use of the words.

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    1. I agree... Trump uses filler words in order to fully speak his mind in a way that doesn't make sense to anyone else.

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  31. Trump talked about building a wall all of the time and he is credible for it because its all that he talked about. Ethos

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  32. A lot of people will follow Trump and his opinion with building the wall because it is very well known when people think of Trump. His thoughts and opinions of the wall are also getting stronger because he wants to get his point out to everyone. (Ethos)

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  33. The guy at the table seems like he's having fun trying to get a word in with them two.

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    1. That makes Trump and Hillary look powerful stating many of their thoughts or even irrelevant remarks towards each other. (ethos)

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  34. Ethos: Trump is credible for good plans with the economy because he is a good business man and has had success.

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  35. Logos: "People who work full time shouldn't still be living in poverty" - Hillary Clinton

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  36. Building a wall will open up plenty of jobs for everybody living on unemployment that just don't want to do anything.

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  37. Trump mocks Hillary (pathos) making Hillary seem stupid.

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  38. Trump seems to get very personal when talking to and about Hillary. Explaining what her husband did wrong when he was in Presidency.

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    1. He really goes too far with his comments, I agree.

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  39. Pathos: Hillary is connecting with the middle class saying they won't have tax increases making them feel comfortable and reassured with her economy plans.

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  40. Hillary has credibility (ethos) having a husband that had been president.

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    1. I agree with you on that 100%. I believe that she is more credible for that reason, as lots of people (not saying all) really appreciated Bill Clinton and liked what he had done for our country.

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  41. Ethos: Barack and Michelle Obama are with Hillary Clinton. Since they are credible it makes Hillary Clinton more credible.

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    1. I never thought of that until I read this. Michelle's explanation on the "bad, and "crucial" things that Trump said, really made Hillary more credible, especially from all of the women Trump hurt.

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  42. Pathos- Hilary is trying to make people feel confident and happy with her saying that she's not gonna have tax increases and not gonna add to the countrys debt.

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