Monday, December 19, 2016

AP English Socratic Circle (12/20/16): A Christmas Carol by Charles Dickens


For today's first socratic circle we will be breaking into two groups: the first will be our "fishbowl," leading a group discussion about Staves 1 and/or 2 of A Christmas Carol; the second will be our audience, observing how discussion is going and if they agree/disagree with the conversation taking place in the middle.

Instructions: 
Audience members: in the comments section of this post, make thoughtful observations about the conversation taking place in the "fishbowl."  Good observations will do the following:
  1. Identify when you agree/disagree with observations and specifically state why (ASRApt Specific Reference).  
  2. Observe what specific group members did that helped to "propel" conversation forward, respond to their group members, and provide thoughtful observations.

Fishbowl members: in yesterday's class, you worked with your group members to pick what sections of Staves 1 and 2 you wanted to discuss and what roles you will play (i.e., discussion leader, "Sherlock Holmes," "Librarian," "Matchmaker," etc.).  You also wrote your own Level 1, 2, and 3 questions about your passage(s).  Students receiving a 3, "Meets," on Speaking and Listening 1, will do the following: 
  1. Come to discussion prepared, having read and researched materials beforehand. SL1a
  2. Work with peers to promote a civil, democratic discussion, set clear goals, and establish individual roles. SL1b
  3. Propel conversations forward by posing and asking questions that probe reasoning and ask for evidence. SL1c
  4. Respond thoughtful to diverse perspectives, synthesize (combine) comments, claims, and evidence, resolve contradictions, and investigate meaning. SL1d

130 comments:

  1. Tyson, nice job pointing out that Scrooge's negative feelings towards his nephew have a lot to do with his former self as a young man. These are definitely FOIL characters.

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  2. Polina, great passage (pg. 105) in which the spirit discusses Tiny Tim's possible futures with Scrooge.

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  3. Good emphasis on the term, "the surplus population!" I'm glad you guys are picking up on the impact of this term and how important it is to Scrooge's development. Here's some information from the British Library on poverty in Dickens's England: https://www.bl.uk/romantics-and-victorians/articles/the-origins-of-a-christmas-carol

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  4. The first question choose is actually interesting they think more about what people feel about each other

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  5. When they asked why Scrooge did not like Christmas I was wondering if the question was asked in relation to his conversation with his nephew. If it was, then that would mean the question would be hard to answer, since the reader does not yet know at this part of the story his Christmas past. Polina said that Bob was cheering Scrooge, while his wife did not like him. Makenzie followed with that she didn't blame her. Bob had low pay, although he remained optimistic, while his wife said that she did not want to cheer him. I noticed when they were talking about how Scrooge felt about his nephew, Makenzie said he didn't like him, and Katrina said it was his attitude towards Christmas, which I thought was interesting. I thought it was good when Katrina said that in the winter, people get more irritable and depressed, which could be why Scrooge has a bad attitude. Polina said that Scrooge already started changing when he saw Tiny Tim. He did not want Tiny Tim to die, even though just the day before he said people dying wasn't a bad thing.

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  6. I agree with what Katrina said about Scrooge not just only disliking Christmas but happiness as a whole. I think this shows that Scrooge is an unhappy person because most of his unfortunate events in life have happened around Christmas time. For example, his best friend, Marley, died around Christmas.

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  7. Tyson had a really good point, that Scrooge was similar to his nephew when he was younger, and was excited about the holidays. It makes me wonder when he started to hate Christmas. Maybe when he started working, and money became more important to him.



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  8. I hadn't really thought about the fact that the bad things that happened to Scrooge around Christmas time. Him being upset around the holidays because of this makes a lot of sense.

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    1. Excellent point Emma! Knowing what happened to Scrooge around/on Christmas totally helps the reader to understand why he might have negative associations with the holiday. A good term for this would be "disparaged."

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  9. Katrina has a good point because the nephew is very happy and excited for christmas.

    I think Scrooge actually wants to be like his nephew but he just can't.

    Katrina again makes a good point a bout scrooge not liking happiness

    Tyson makes a good point.

    The second question is really good why is he not happy.

    Polina makes a good point everything bad happens in the holidays to him

    I feel like he was happy before when he was younger during christmas but as time went by he just hated it more and more until not liking holidays at all

    The third question is really good because events in your life do impact your view on thing like this

    Katrina has a point because it is shown people get depressed during the winter and even during he movie you don't see the sun the movie is always dark.

    The shift from section to section is good because they relate.

    Polina has a good point the passage the is read is very powerful because you read how his body language changes

    He is showing feeling of remorse and a little sorrow of what he said

    Tyson says that he grew up well not poor or rich but he did have enough and he was close to his father.

    Something like whats happening to tiny Tim is very emotional and can have a very powerful effect.Scrooge wasn't any help to tiny Tim getting better because is true Scrooge never showed interest in anything but what needed to get done and himself

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  10. I agree and think this passage really helps Scrooge realize his actions. When the ghost uses his words back against him he hears how awful they actually were.

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  11. I liked how Kenzie added the fact that London has gloomy weather usually all year and that really supports how most people find themselves unhappy around Christmas time. Because of the dismal weather and rarity of sun.

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  12. I liked Tyson's input on how Scrooge cared for Tiny Tim because his own childhood lacked of care and support.

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  13. Katrina pointed out that he had never felt these feelings before. I think that is all because of the ghosts, and the advice they give him is making him realize how he treated others, because they are treating him almost in a similar way.

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  14. I agree on the observations made relating Scrooge to his nephew when he was younger. Also, how Scrooge puts down everything related to happiness, like Katrina said when Scrooge made a comment about falling in love was worse than "A Merry Christmas," it seems like he despises anything happy.

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  15. The only thing closer to him than his nephew is his money.Which is very sad but he makes himself look bad by the way he is acting

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  16. The passage about Tiny Tim is very powerful. The words Scrooge said about Tiny Tim I think really did surprise him the next day like Tyson said, and how it must really get to Scrooge even though he is very miserable. Do you think that showed Scrooge anything about himself, or that he needs to change his ways because he realizes his actions direct some people's lives?

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  17. I'm not sure if I agree with Polina when she says that he can't be blamed for being greedy, because although he may not have known about Tiny Tim or the rest of Bob's family, he still should have paid Bob better.

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    1. I'm happy to see you disagreeing with points in our socratic circle. Why do you think Scrooge should have paid Bob better? Do you think there was a "minimum wage" or a labor union Bob could turn to?

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  18. Tyson makes a good point of Scrooge being a bit of a hoarder

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  19. Good point Tyson on how Scrooge is possibly greedy now because of his childhood lacking of material wealth. And how that ties into the Great Depression whereas people would save food and other necessities.

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  20. Excellent point about "literally pinching pennies" Tyson. That was a clever way to interpret Scrooge's miserliness and his actions involving coins placed on a deceased person's body.

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  21. 20 December 2016

    Nephew's conversation with Scrooge
    I agree with Makenzie when she says Scrooge acts as though he doesn't like his nephew, yet I think it's more of Scrooge's feelings on Christmas being taken out on his Nephew who is so jolly. I disagree with Tyson when he says Scrooge is kind of jealous of the nephew because he is a younger version of himself. I do not see how they are any way alike really, it's a good thought, but I don't believe there's a specific part in the book that shows how Scrooge is alike, no evidence.

    Why does Scrooge Hate Christmas?
    I like how they all look along in the book when reading and are all engaged in conversation. Tyson and Katrina had a really good conversation when reflecting the harsh moods of the season in the book to real life. The season is a stressful time and Scrooge is a busy man, maybe he's just lonely and emerges himself in his work to forget about his state of being.

    I can easily tell that Polina is the Librarian in the discussion, and I think Katrina is the explorer, and Tyson as Sherlock Homes. I am unsure of Makenzie though.

    I LOVE how Polina explained how Bob is thankful for Scrooge to be able to have his job, yet also love how Mackenzie pointed out how his wife hates Scrooge for treating Bob the way that he does.

    Tyson added humor to keep conversation light and fun when talking about house size.

    I love how they chose the passage of Scrooge and Father Christmas when Scrooge ask's him if Tiny Tim will die, and Polina is right, this is the turning point when the spirits are having a massive effect on Scrooge, and making him realize his own scroogyness through Father Christmas quoting Scrooge.
    Thinking about it, are all this sprits just helping Scrooge realize his behavior, or are they spirits of Scrooge just Scrooge himself waiting to get out of his state of like.."bah humbug." I think this because the first spirit had the faces of all they've seen in the time being, and Father Christmas had Scrooges face in the movie, not sure if that was emphasized in the book though.

    I like how Katrina acknowledged that she feels bad for Scrooge, and how Tyson connected that to the Great Depression and taking the necessities needed in that time. Maybe Scrooge is scared for an event such as this.

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  22. Tyson said that Scrooge could help make a difference by donating some of his money once in a while, since he doesn't really need it, and I agree.

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  23. Socratic Circle Notes: I agree with Tyson when he said that Scrooge's nephew is like a younger version of Scrooge. You can see that his nephew is very happy and proud of his life. Scrooge was the same way when he was young. We see this in the section at Fezziwig's ball where Scrooge was very happy when he was younger.
    Scrooge becomes very sad when the spirit tells him that Tiny Tim will die in the future. Its very hard on Scrooge to have the spirit say his own words against him, "decrease the surplus population." I agree with Katrina when she says he (Scrooge) is obviously getting his emotions back. However, I disagree with her when she says that he is like the meanest person ever. It is apparent that Scrooge does not like Christmas, and is very cheap, but I don't think that Scrooge is a really bad person. He is not really hurting anyone on purpose, he is just not helping anybody with his money. The only person he is really hurting is himself.

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  24. The whole group makes a good oint of him being stingy and not sharing or donating even after him having so much material stuff and so much money.He could easily donate or give money without being in any financial trouble afterwards.

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  25. Makenzie said, "He knew he could donate to the poor but didn't anyway, and he's being a penny pincher, even though he doesn't need to be." I agree with her and how he really doesn't need to be, and like what was said earlier about his young life, he wasn't very wealthy. I think that may relate.

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  26. Good point Kenzie on how people say something in the moment but if you step back and think about it, it's a horrible thing to say.
    Also, Polina good use of the word "desensitized."

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  27. Katrina said that one person dying does not affect just that person, but the people they know.

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  28. I really like the level three question that this group came up with. It relates really well to the story, and life today. It also really makes you think. I personally think everyones life is important/matters. It is a good point that maybe if there were less people one the earth it might be better, but for the loved ones of the person lost, their world is destroyed.

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  29. I disagree with Tyson when he says that we have an overpopulation problem on this planet. One life definitely matters and Tiny Tim deserves to live his life fully.

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    1. I agree that population is not a problem, and that Tiny Tim deserves to live, but that's only because he's apart of a hometown family and because of age. If this person had the same sickness, lived forever away, and was 70 years old, people would care less. We all care to an extent about others death, but we all understand that it happens and we can't choose to who.

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    2. I truly think that it doesn't matter how much longer someone has to live, even is someone is 70 with the same illness, I would feel the same way as I do for Tiny Tim. It's all about the individual and their personal empathy levels. I really think that every year every month or every day is precious.

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  30. The surplus population: EXCELLENT QUESTION on wondering if the massive population getting larger is making people care less about an individual. I think obviously people care, but it has to do with who. If there were 100 people in the world, if you didn't the person then you might care, but it won't have a huge impact on your personal life. Same with id there were 1000000000000 people in the world. We hear about death, but unless we actually know them then it won't have a huge effect on us.

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  31. I thought when Tyson said that an older person who has lived their life should give their life before a younger person. And then he said that does quality of life matter.

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  32. Did you guys notice how Polina/Tyson were able to bring the conversation BACK to the book and Tiny Tim's quality of life? That was a great segue from the more philosophical conversation about quality of life in general.

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  33. I like how everyone is making real world connections today from a book written in 1800s.

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  34. If Tiny Tim was a wealth young boy then I think that Kenzie is right when she says that it would not effect someone as much because one could just assume that they have the money and can afford to pay for any treatments. I have actually thought of this same thing before.

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    1. I agree with you both. It is obviously still sad, but you know that they have the money to take care of themselves, unlike Tiny Tim.

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  35. I agree with Katrina, and think Tiny Tim's age makes the fact that he is sick more sad, regardless of the lifestyle he already lives.

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    1. I noticed that too and was thinking the same thing, it wouldn't matter as much if an old man was sick, but because Tiny Tim is so young is what makes it so sad.

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  36. I love how Polina is showing a lot of emotion and you can tell she has passion about what she's saying.

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  37. The things that are happening arebecoming very numbing.

    But they are very making a good point because depending on what happens and the age of dying does make a difference.

    Quality is also very impactful because if someone famous was about to die and someone who's is very poor is about to die and someone can help someone would have different views on who is going to live because someone would choose the famous person to save and someone would choose the vey poor person to save.

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  38. Tyson started a very interesting topic about the difference between a 5 year old dying and an 80 year old. He stated an interesting point about how an older person has lived most of their life, while a younger person hasn't even lived a third of it yet. I think this was a good topic to bring up because everyone is so engaged and everyone has their own opinions.

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  39. Polina made a really good point, saying that the Crachets appreciate their family, because they know that they are more important than anything money can buy. I also think because the dont have much, they are thankful to have their family, and to always have around.

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  40. Was Scrooge really happy even when Marley was around though? He was a good friend and man of business, but was he really genuinely happy?

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  41. Good job Polina on bringing the group back to the book with the relevant subject of money. Also Tyson makes a good connection towards life on his island. I liked how Katrina referenced Scrooge from the topic of money and happiness. For example, Scrooge is very wealthy but is unhappy.

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  42. They make a good point about people not needing to have everything to be happy.You can be poor and be happy as long as you have people you love.Bob is poor and is happy with his family

    Scrooge is very rich but also very lonely and not a vey nice person.He hates everything about everything basically.

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  43. The group made really good connection to the world.Not only connect it to the book and had vey nice conversation in general it was interesting to hear everyone's thoughts and I like that no one's thought were bumped and they were all very engaged no one just sat there

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  44. It was pretty interesting how Gilley remembered what Tyson pointed out yesterday

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  45. I like how Gilley is making a connection to something Tyson said in yesterdays fishbowl

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  46. I liked how Carolyn started by reading the passage. I think it set up the discussion.

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    1. I agree with you Katrina. Sometimes, a quick read over a passage creates an even better "flow" so that everyone is (pardon the pun!) "on the same page."

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  47. Gilley starts of great with making connections from the previous day which is great.

    Emma and Caroline make good points about the nephew is like his uncle just happier basically

    The group makes a good comment about christmas not always about giving gifts or money and if you do you don't need to spend a lot of money.

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  48. I liked Gilley's matchmaking with Tyson's observation yesterday

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  49. Gilley made a really good point about Scrooge thinking Christmas is only about spending money. It brought a lot of discussion to the table and the conversation really got started about Scrooge and Christmas.

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    1. I noticed this comment too, Katrina. Gilley's comment made it possible for Emma to make her observation about how the Christmas holidays turned Scrooge into the man he is today (in the story).

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  50. Wow! Emma just made the coolest comment: "It's almost like Christmas made him a Scrooge."

    Guys, what does Emma mean when she says "Christmas made him a Scrooge?" Remember, scrooge means, "to pinch, crowd, or squeeze" (see footnote on pg. #4 on pg. 8.

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  51. I like that Gilley is using her own ideas to fill in the gaps about why Scrooge might have such a negative attitude towards Christmas.

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  52. It makes sense what Gilley said, about how money is important to him now because he was so poor in the past. I think there might be a reference to his poorness in Stave 2 when the ghost shows him the woman he loved on the day she left

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  53. Gilley makes a good point about him maybe not being privileged so he's stingy with his money which would make a lot of sense

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  54. I never really thought about how we compare the fun of our Christmas with friends based on the size or financial worth of the presents we got, especially as kids

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    1. I thought that was really interesting too!

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  55. I like how Gilley pointed out how we have a tendency to view presents for their worth in money rather than the gift itself.

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  56. I love what Gilley said about how people compare how "good" their Christmases are by talking about their expensive presents. Expensive presents and how much money someone spends on you has become one of the ways we measure if we had a good Christmas.

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  57. I like how the whole group just keeps building off of what each other are saying rather than jumping from topic to topic. The discussion has a good flow!

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  58. I agree with what Deja said about Christmas changing and becoming more about the money part of it. It seems like for the most part, Christmas today is more about getting gifts than spending time with your family, love, etc.

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  59. Jordan says something about him being neglected has maybe a lot to do with why he's so mad during christmas time.

    Gilley has a good point that material things is all that Christmas is about

    Then Deja adds about how christmas used to be about family time and love now it has just drifted away from it.

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  60. Jordan made an interesting comment about Scrooge putting a "cap over his problems." I hadn't thought about it that way before.

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    1. It is an important symbol. Why a cap? That has always puzzled me.

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  61. Jordan made a really good point about how putting the cap over the spirit is a metaphor for sweeping your problems under the rug

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  62. Nice job describing the symbolism of Scrooge putting a "cap" over the ghost that's haunting him. It is just like running away from his problems!

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  63. Gabe makes a good point maybe scrooge was brought up in a happy home during christmas time but as he got older it probably just got worse or just bad things happened during that day.

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  64. Nice Gilley! You are directing the group by asking questions.
    It's really great that you guys are reading the important passage about Scrooge's nephew visitation. It is truly important for people to understand scrooge's thoughts about merriness and love.
    I like how you mention the absence of family in Scrooge's life and his marriage to the money.
    Good point on how giving is not all about money and buying things, It can be a simple heartfelt gesture; however, scrooge doesn't seem to have that.
    Yes! I love how you talked about how the meaning of Christmas has changed, money has become too significant to the meaning of Christmas and gift giving is the most important part of it, not family and tradition.
    Scrooge and his nephew are total opposites because of their upbringing and what ethics they have learned in life. Scrooge has always had the absence of family... His sister seemed to be the only one emotionally available. His nephew is the joyful socialite and scrooge seems to be a pariah.

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  65. I agree with Carolyn, about Scrooge ignoring his problems as a "temporary solution"

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  66. Gilley had a nice reference about how Scrooge acknowledges that the ghosts are there to better him, not just to torment him

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  67. I agree with Gilley's observation on the relationship between the ghosts and Scrooge. They're only their to convince Scrooge to do better, and eventually Scrooge realizes this.

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  68. I really liked what Gilley said about people putting their problems behind them. This is a very relevant issue today as many people tend to try and forget about their issues instead of solving them.

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  69. Deja did a good job at using the text to back up her thoughts and ideas about why Scrooge is called Scrooge. Very interesting topic of discussion.

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  70. I never thought about how Scrooge actually looked scrooge based on his posture and scrunched up face

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    1. I never thought of that either! That's a really interesting observation and makes a lot of sense.

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  71. I like how Emma remarked the adjectives used in the passage and related them to Scrooge's greed.

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  72. I love Gilley's comment about wealth and physical size (i.e., wealthy people are often seen as overweight and large because of how much more food and wine they indulge in). Scrooge is, indeed, the exact opposite: tight, bony, and scrunched together, his "scrooginess" has actually made him a tiny rich man. Nice critical thinking Gilley! You make great connections between Dickens's character and the larger culture of wealth and status.

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  73. Deja bought up a good point. We probably wouldn't understand the story well without those annotations

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  74. Putting a "cap" under the is good way to describe his problems and not wanting to deal with them

    I like that Deja hit on the topic of his name and how he looks and act is not just a name someone picked.

    Gilley make a good point of the name and what do you think about when some one says a rich old man.

    The group makes a good point of the passage having double meanings

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  75. I like how Jordan compared A Christmas Carol to a piece of poetry. I never thought about the story that way

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  76. Jordan made a really great point about the Christmas Carol being poetic and relating it to how we just studied poetry.

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  77. Jordan made an interesting observation on the writing itself, stating it's "almost poetic".

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  78. Jordan just made my day with this comment (and I paraphrase):

    "It's nice that we chose to read this now because we've been reading a lot of poetry, and his [Dickens's] writing is kind of poetic. It has lots of double meanings."

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  79. I wonder where Emma got that reference about Scrooge's past?

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  80. Jordan made a really great point of this story being like poetry

    Gabe said something about people using there personal experiences to write poetry or stories etc. which is a great point.

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  81. Jordan brought up a very good point. Why did the spirit choose that particular Christmas?

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  82. I like how Jordan read out the next passage and spoke the exact thoughts that went through my mind as he read it: the passage reveals Scrooge's true self as the ghost shows him himself as a child.

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  83. Emma made a good point about he put's what he felt as a child as a mini Scrooge because of his personal experience with his parents which made me think about why he's trying to bring back christmas and the meaning of it through this book

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  84. Part of Gilley's comment reminded me a bit of the circle we did yesterday

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  85. I like how Gilley went back to something her and Jordan were discussing before and talked more about how she thought his point of view was interesting rather than her own.

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  86. What Caroline said made me think of what we talked about yesterday and the conversation that Gilley and Jordan had was really insightful because they shared there opinions which brought a new perspective to Gilley

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  87. I like that Gilley brought up how the ghosts guilt-trip Scrooge by repeating his quote he spoke earlier in the book about decreasing the surplus population.

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  88. I like how Gilley brought up that Scrooge didn't donate in the beginning

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  89. It's so important for change to happen every once in a while, and the ghosts wish to make a change for the better within scrooge's crotchety persona.
    Stereotypes aren't always applicable.
    You guys mention double meaning and how it's so easy to look over a certain aspect in Scrooge's life which adds on to his character.
    Jordan.. great job emphasizing the fact the scrooge does have feeling
    I really like the fact that you guys mentioned how much scrooge has missed out on life, especially as a child.
    A personal perspective on the topic of "surplus population" is that I believe that because Scrooge is in business with Bob, it's more susceptible that Tiny Tim is more impactful on Scrooge's life because of that connection... It takes a connection to allow growth

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  90. I like how Gilley continues to bring the conversation back and is always making the discussion lively if it's starting to die out.

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  91. I agree with Emma on how Tiny Tim showed Scrooge how cheap he was

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  92. Gilley made an awesome statement about how Tiny Tim says to Scrooge, "God blesses all," yet God doesn't seem to bless Tiny Tim himself.

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  93. The whole group is making interesting comments about Tiny Tim. I like how they keep saying how grateful he still is even though he's sick, and referencing parts from the book.

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  94. The group is discussing the idea that Scrooge was pretty much heartless until Tiny Tim was able to touch it. I think it's interesting that even though they all have something different to say about it, they all agree.

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  95. I like that Caroline had brought up what he might feel if Tiny Tim did die

    Deja made a good point about him might feeling a little guilty if he didn't help to save the boy

    I think if the ghost wouldn't of came he wouldn't be affected until Tiny Tim died and in my opinion Scrooge would have probably been remorseful about what happened because he didn't help

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    1. Even though I know who you're talking about, instead of saying he, you could say Scrooge to be more specific!

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    2. Yeah you have a point some one could confuse who I'm talking about

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  96. Tiny tim has such an open mind! He has such a positive point of view in life even though good health is not in his favor. The Cratchit's have truly brought him up well. Money should not define a person or take over their life, and you must accept it and make the best of what you do have. Enjoy the small things in life!

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    1. This comment is so true and worded so well, I couldn't have put it any better! Tiny Tim has such a great heart and soul.

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  97. I like how Emma read the passage and brought up Ignorance and Want

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  98. The group as a whole does a good job at noticing when discussion is starting to die down and its time for someone to ask another one of their level 1-3 questions. That is really important to keep everyone engaged.

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  99. Emma's comment about "Ignorance" and "Want" being characterized as children is a pretty important one. We'll need to talk more about Dickens's feelings towards children and how important children and child mortality rates were to the Victorians.

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    1. Oh!! And before I forget: naming a character after a trait like "ignorance" or "want" is a reference to medieval style of writing that comes for the "Morality Play." You can get a quick reference to this technique on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morality_play

      Let's talk more about morality plays and why characters are named after personal attributes (personified).

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  100. I like how Jordan described the words "ignorance" and "want" to be childish.

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  101. I don't really agree with the fact that they're children because children are usually ignorant or want more. I think they were made to be children because they are the offspring of humanities want and ignorance

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    1. I agree Scrooge can be ignorant but it doesn't make him childish it

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    2. Great comment Nikara! Ignorance and Want are the results of HUMANITY'S CHOICES. They don't choose to be born. They are "born" by someone else's choices, not their own.

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  102. Scrooge has a lot of inspiration around him, (i.e. his nephew, the donation people) yet tiny tim has finally gotten to him. Especially because they had the same desires and quality of life when Scrooge was a child.
    "personality shows them in the outside" and you can't truly know what's in the inside... All you see about Scrooge is ignorance and desire for the most pointless thing in life... No real value in money.

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  103. I think next time this group needs to focus more on talking loud and clear

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  104. I like how Gilley explained the passage on page 127 first before discussing it.

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  105. I definitely agree with Gabe and Emma about how the men make fun of Scrooge because he was rude to everyone in life and he was always cheap

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  106. Carolyn.. I like how you mention the fact that the way you put yourself out there truly affects whether or not people want to help you and get to know you. If people don't know if they can find what they want to see, such as scrooge's virtues, then they don't find it really worth surrounding themselves within that environment..

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  107. I think anyone can be ignorant but just because your ignorant doesn't mean someone doesn't care about other people.It might something personal like what is happening with scrooge at that moment and his pat with christmas and him not being as privileged

    this was a really good point because it brought back over previous points that Jordan and other people had brought up.It was great way to end the fishbowl because it tie it up and ended it on a great note

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